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| |  vossu Registered Member
        Date Joined Apr 2005 Total Posts : 22 | Posted 2/23/2009 10:31 PM (GMT +8) |   | |
BASIC FACTS ABOUT GOLD
Friday, 13th February 2009
There are about 5 billion ounces of above ground gold supply worth about USD 5 trillion at current prices. Less than 5% trades annually. The above ground gold supply is growing at about 1.5% annually, the 300 year average.
New gold supply is price inelastic. If you double the gold price, production will fall as miners extend precious mine life by processing lower grades through fixed rate capacity. Building new capacity is the work of decades. Re-opening old mines is difficult and expensive and there are few worthwhile opportunities which have not been exploited. Meanwhile, discovery rates are declining, discovery costs are rising, mines are depleting and production is falling at about 5% per year. The world's best gold deposits have been found and mined.
Gold's highest and best use is in a vault as a store of value. It is not a commodity. Jewelry 'consumption' of gold is a traditional store of value. The industrial/medical uses of gold are diminimus. If gold had important other uses, there would be less of it and the price would be lower because it would be valued as a commodity subject to substitution effects. No other substance has the unique properties and a supply sufficient to act as an ultimate store of value which is why gold has had this role for at least 6000 years.
Gold is therefore a financial asset in physical form and sometimes a currency. It goes up in price when confidence in other financial assets [stocks, bonds] is falling and falls when confidence in these alternatives is rising.
Other financial assets have the advantages of convenience and income. Gold's advantage is that it is final settlement anywhere in the world. Gold backs itself whereas other currencies and financial assets merely represent, and depend upon, the countries and companies which issue them and stand behind them. Gold is a currency without a country or central bank...there is no issuer to inflate supply or default on its obligations.
There are approximately USD 140 trillion in other financial assets world-wide so the current value of above ground gold is about 4% of this total. In 1980, when inflation weakened confidence in stocks and bonds, the ratio was greater than 25%. It currently requires about 8 ounces of gold to buy the Dow, down from 44 in 1999. In 1980, the ratio reached 1 to 1.
Gold has no P/E or other standard valuation metric. Its price can go where the market decides. How much will the owners of USD 140 trillion in financial assets pay to protect themselves from deflation, inflation or default?
James S. Anthony February 13, 2009
source: www.seabridgegold.net
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 |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 2/25/2009 5:15 PM (GMT +8) |   | | well gold is rolling over as it looks like nationalisation is the only way for bust banks which more or less underwrites the financial system and presently there is no inflation. later on i think there will be inflation but its not in the current news. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 3/14/2009 12:59 AM (GMT +8) |   | | gold is struggling to go under $900. with the dollar looking quite weak and ETF flows picking up again maybe thats more or less the correction done | | Back to Top | | |
  |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 3/16/2009 10:19 PM (GMT +8) |   | | That had been my thoughts but with stories about currency wars, govvies at or near peak valuations; the FX and bond markets may drive gold instead of fear or equities. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 3/19/2009 5:20 AM (GMT +8) |   | | well when i left the office i thought I had screwed up, but fortunately Bernanke's Billions have saved the day. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Gavin Bowring Registered Member
        Date Joined Feb 2009 Total Posts : 81 | Posted 3/30/2009 12:16 PM (GMT +8) |   | What do we make of Africa's ability to increase gold production? Does anyone have a regional/country breakdown of global production?
Reforms spur Zimbabwe’s gold industry
Zimbabwe’s gold trade could be reviving, making gold the first industrial sector to benefit from recent economic reforms in the country.
Mwana Africa, a mining group listed on London’s Aim market, plans to reopen the Freda Rebecca gold mine, one of Zimbabwe’s largest, by September.
It has been closed for the past three years, a period that was “impossible” for gold producers, one sector analyst said, as the central bank bought gold but failed to pay producers in either foreign currency or increasingly worthless Zimbabwean dollars.
Today’s buoyant gold price, above $900 an ounce, was an important factor in the decision to reopen the Freda Rebecca mine, said Kalaa Mpinga, Mwana chief executive.
More important, however, was a series of economic reforms starting with the “dollarisation” of the economy – or substitution of foreign currency as a medium of exchange – sanctioned by the central bank in January, he said.
In February, the bank allowed gold companies to market their own gold and accept payment in foreign currency at prevailing spot prices instead of transferring gold to the central bank. In March the new unity government cut the tax on gold export revenues to zero from 7.5 per cent, having halved it from 15 per cent the previous month.
Ian Saunders, chief executive of New Dawn Mining, a junior gold miner in Zimbabwe, said the prospects for the gold industry were so good that he expected all the big gold producers to restart operations in the next few months, eventually reaching an annual output of about 500,000 ounces of gold.
He said: “Positive changes in economic policy in Zimbabwe are occurring” .
The economic reforms, he said, “provide us with greater visibility as we move closer to resuming full-scale gold mining operations and begin to generate free cash flow in US dollars.”
Problems that plagued Zimbabwe’s mining industry last year – including high electricity prices and shortage of skilled labour and equipment – are likely to endure.
Also, Mr Mpinga said, there was no way to predict the effects of “dollarisation”, which have led to deflation in Zimbabwe over the past two months. “There was no alternative,” he said. “But no one has seen this before.”
Gold producers are likely to find few banks willing to lend to both a sector – junior mining – and a country – Zimbabwe – that remain associated with high risk. Mwana is digging into its own cash chest, which was $26m in October, to fund Freda Rebecca’s revival.
Zimbabwe’s gold industry is small compared to neighbouring South Africa, which produced 232 tonnes of gold in 2007. Zimbabwe produced only eight tonnes of gold in 2007, down from 27 tonnes in 1999.
Economic reforms could create better prospects for the Zimbabwean platinum industry, an even more important segment of Zimbabwe’s industrial economy. The majority of the world’s mined platinum is divided between South Africa and Zimbabwe. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 4/3/2009 10:04 PM (GMT +8) |   | | The trading dunces seem to have sold gold off today on news that the IMF might be pushed to sell some. Either that or the Plunge Protection Team are moving down in advance of something next week. Eitherway the faster the IMF sell the better, all the IMF gold will go to G20 central banks and it will clear out the last big potential seller. After that the only gold supply will be finite mine supply and scrap - gold vol could go up a lot and a COMEX raid is a distinct possibility - after all the COMEX contract specifies 3 day delivery on demand. A number fo the macro funds are seeing gold lease rate trades as the best way of leveraging the supply shortage theme where you pay fixed and receive variable against the lease rate of bullion. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 4/5/2009 7:07 AM (GMT +8) |   | the formative American Indentured Peasant Class according to Max Keiser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJxAuw_G45k | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 4/7/2009 5:29 AM (GMT +8) |   | Well my Obamam cardinal sin counter thread disappeared with the link the the ex-IMF person calling for a change in the wall street oligarchy. (interesting that Tim is now claiming that wall street CEos can be fired by washington)
Anyway here are Max Keiser's comments on the G20 outcome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MH0Xfp72XE&feature=related
Needless to say he adheres to Austrian economics and not Keynsianism. Given Keynsianism is simply trying to raise taxes through inflation and raise government consumption it doesnt look to me like its a solution and its really just pushing the crisis back to the later currency crisis. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 5/13/2009 10:37 PM (GMT +8) |   | | | |
 |  Greg Atkinson Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 136 | Posted 6/1/2009 6:28 PM (GMT +8) |   | | Vossu...I may be the only person on the planet who is bearish on gold but I reckon it has had it's day in the sun for now. There has been enough bad news to send gold well over $1000 (North Korean nukes test for example) but it still is stuck ins a fairly narrow range. There are so many people talking up gold at the moment that it reminds me off the oil is heading to $200 a barrel talk about a year ago :) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Greg Atkinson Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 136 | Posted 6/2/2009 10:03 PM (GMT +8) |   | | You might have a point Rob :) Mind you the Nikkei is enjoying a nice rally and I am guessing the Japanese car makers will not be unhappy to see their U.S rivals on their knees. | | Back to Top | | |
  |  Rob Hawcroft Registered Member
        Date Joined Jul 2008 Total Posts : 280 | Posted 6/18/2010 11:42 PM (GMT +8) |   | | looks like Gavekal's view that gold's rise was a mirage was merely self-delusion on their part... | | Back to Top | | |
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